https://warscholar.org/cold-war-and-modern-naval-history-book-u-s-submarines-since-1945-revised-edition-naval-institute-press-2018-norman-friedman-interview-mhio-episode-27/
Cold War and modern naval history book - "U.S. Submarines Since 1945, Revised Edition" (Naval Institute Press, 2018) - Norman Friedman interview