US Civil War – Rebels in the Making (Oxford University Press, 2020) – William Barney interview

American Civil War – An interview with William Barney about his new book Rebels in the Making, published by Oxford University Press, on Southern secession in 1860 to 1861. Check out the book here   https://amzn.to/30aBXVl

How did you become interested in studying and writing on the subject of your book?

I first became interested in the American Civil War after reading Bruce Catton during high school. I latched on to secession as a research topic in my years of professional training at Columbia University in the 1960s and always wanted to write a major work on the topic.

What is the book about and what major themes do you focus on?

Rebels in the Making focuses on the years of 1860-1861 when the secession movement climaxed and triggered the Civil War. I found that any persuasive explanation of the politics of secession necessitated placing the drive for secession in the social, economic, and cultural context of the slave South as it matured in the 1850s and constricted opportunities for common whites in acquiring slaves and good land. The need to protect slavery where it existed and leave open the possibility of its future expansion was the main motivating force behind secession. This was the core argument used to attract the support of younger slaveholders aspiring to attain planter status. In presenting my findings, I examined secession, and its success or failure, in all of the fifteen slave states and traced how the vision of the secessionists for the South was embodied in the crafting the constitution and government for the Confederate States of America.

What resource materials or archives did you primarily use for your research?

I cast as wide a net as possible in locating resource material – letters, diaries and journals; slave narratives; court records; contemporary periodicals and newspapers; and legislative proceedings and debates.

What did you discover in your research that most surprised you?

What most surprised me was the extent and depth of the economic depression that gripped the South once credit lines from the North were largely shut down in the financial freeze that accompanied Lincoln’s election. Most economic activity ground to a halt and the ensuing sense of desperation added fuel to the argument of the secessionists that the South had to liberate itself from the financial shackles of the North.

Why did the North shut down the credit lines for the South and what about Lincoln’s election prompted this action? Were there Southern states that were hit particularly harder by this credit crunch than others?

Capital abhors uncertainty and everyone foresaw a major political crisis in the event of Lincoln’s election. Consequently, Northern banks and mercantile houses sought to preserve capital and prevent bankruptcies by tightening or refusing to extend the credit (technically discounting the notes of indebtedness) to Southern factors and planters that was necessary to move cotton to market. The economic crisis was a national one because of uncertainty over whether Southern markets would remain open to Northern merchants and farmers. All states were affected, though the shutdown was probably the deepest in the cash-starved Cotton South.

Was there a particularly difficult issue to research because of lack of information or access to information?

The hardest part of the story to tell was the role played by the slaves, over forty percent of the population in the seven original states that seceded. Slaves, unsurprisingly, left very few first-hand accounts of their feelings or actions and their reaction to the crisis in large measure had to be inferred by what whites wrote of what they thought the slaves were up to. I argue that the slaves were well aware that their day of deliverance was about to come and that they exploited the unrest and excitement in the South in 1860 by setting a rash of fires that further unnerved whites into believing that only a clean break from the North could save them from what they convinced themselves were hordes of abolitionist incendiaries descending on the South and stirring up the slaves.

When you say that Southern slaves started a rash of fires, can you explain that in a little more detail?

Southern newspapers reported an outbreak of fires that began in the spring of 1860 and peaked in the late summer and fall. The fires were attributed to abolitionist emissaries and slaves. The fires destroyed many businesses and some private homes. Most of them, and those almost certainly set by plantation slaves, torched highly combustible cotton gins and the cotton stored therein. The fires were set at night in isolated areas where it was extremely difficult to identify the perpetrators.

Did you have any difficulties in finishing or publishing and how did you overcome those?

Fortunately, the only hurdle in the writing of Rebels was carving out the time for framing and detailing the argument. As in the past, Oxford University Press was an understanding and helpful publisher. The comments and advice of Editor Susan Ferber were all I could have hoped for.

What is your current or next writing project?

I’m currently plunging into a new topic, the nature and extent of Confederate nationalism and the interpretive folly of conflating it with the Confederate state.

Where can people find you online?

I can be found at the website for the Department of History, the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. My email is: wbarney@email.unc.edu.

Links of interest

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https://global.oup.com/academic/product/rebels-in-the-making-9780190076085

https://history.unc.edu/faculty-members/william-l-barney/

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War of 1812 military history book – “The Papers of James Monroe, Volume 7” – (ABC-CLIO, 2020) – Dan Preston interview

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Dr. Daniel Preston has spent much of his career compiling and editing the papers of early American Revolution hero and then President James Monroe. We spoke about the latest completed volume of his papers, volume 7, which covers the middle and end of the War of 1812 and then naval expeditions to the North African coast.

1:23 – Dan talks about how he got into studying James Monroe.

2:30 – Dan talks about the War of 1812.

5:16 – Dan talks about US incursions into foreign territory.

6:48 – Dan talks about Monroe’s feelings on the readiness of the US Army in this time.

10:11 – Dan talks about Monroe’s feelings about the War of 1812.

13:20 – Dan talks about what Monroe did as Secretary of War in the fall of 1814.

20:16 – Dan talks about worries that the British would win.

24:58 – Dan talks about the US military and Native Americans.

28:57 – Dan talks about the Native American military threat to the US.

34:37 – Dan talks about the Second Barbary War with Algeria and the South American revolutions.

38:31 – Dan discusses details of the Second Barbary War.

42:14 – Dan talks about the possibility of a US Britain alliance against common enemies.

46:29 – Dan talks about the financial troubles of both the US and Britain and the burning of Washington, DC.

49:56 – Dan goes into detail about the burning of Washington.

51:04 – Dan talks about Monroe’s ideas on defending Washington.

59:43 – Dan talks about the large volume of letters he had to research.

1:02:57 – Dan talks about where the Monroe letters and documents are found.

1:04:35 – Dan talks about President Madison’s cabinet.

1:06:32 – Dan talks about commentaries on the documents

1:09:29 – Dan talks about documents they couldn’t find.

1:10:55 – Dan talks about Monroe’s uncertain birthday.

1:12:43 – Dan’s work and the papers can be found on amazon and on the University of Mary Washington website and by searching “Monroe Papers” or at Academics.umw.edu/jamesmonroepapers.

 

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https://products.abc-clio.com/abc-cliocorporate/product.aspx?pc=B5565C

https://academics.umw.edu/jamesmonroepapers/

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WWII history book – “The General Who Wore Six Stars” (Potomac Books, 2018) – Hank Cox interview

 

Hank Cox has been writing in various capacities for many years. He’s written a book on the Sioux Uprising of 1862 and now on General JCH Lee of WWII.

1:39 – Hank Cox discusses how he got into writing history. He first wrote “Lincoln and the Sioux Uprising of 1862”. There hadn’t been much written on the subject in many decades.

3:27 – He’s also a big WWII fan and wanted to write about Lt. Gen. John C.H. Lee. Many of his colleagues didn’t like him though he was very successful being in charge of Army supplies in Europe.

5:03 – Lee did have unusual characteristics. He was very military and something of a martinet.

6:24 – The book goes into Lee’s pre WWII life. He fought in WWI and then joined the Corps of Engineers. He worked on the great Vicksburg flood of 1927. He developed many contacts that helped dictate what he ended up doing during WWII.

9:38 – Lee was put in charge of the great buildup of supplies in Great Britain for the invasion of Europe. One of the big issues was the train Lee wanted.

12:09 – Lee was also criticized heavily for being very religious and going to church often and his staff had to attend with him. He also didn’t have drinking buddies.

14:28 – He was also a strong advocate of African-American soldiers and thought they should be put to better use.

15:19 – Many of the US Generals in Europe also refused to be part of a centralized supply effort controlled by Lee.

16:42 – By the time of the Battle of the Bulge, the US was running out of troops and Lee changed the rules to allow black soldiers into combat. This bothered a lot of US Army leaders but Lee didn’t back down. White troops in the field accepted them at the time of combat.

18:38 – When Patton raced across Europe, the US supply lines weren’t in place to properly support him with fuel, food and ammo. Lee created the Red Ball Express – trucks driven mostly by black drivers racing across Europe to supply Patton.

20:26 – Lee moved his command into Paris when it was liberated. But Eisenhower had said Paris should only be for soldiers on leave. Lee argued that Paris was the central communications point across Europe and he had to put his headquarters there. Troops resented the great accommodations Lee and his staff had in Paris.

24:22 – Near the end of the war. Bradley and others refused to report how many supplies they had to Lee. The Germans also tried to attack US supply depots around Europe and Lee worked on removing all these supplies and out of the hands of the Germans.

26:33 – When Lee allowed black soldiers into combat, they had to lose rank to do that but thousands went into combat roles anyway.

27:40 – After the war, Lee was put in charge of Italy despite all the negative comments made about him.

31:18 – Lee has been unfairly criticized by historians as well. After the war he joined the Episcopalian group the Brotherhood of Saint Andrew.

33:08 – Benjamin Davis was sent over to allay fears of black soldiers and he became good friends with Lee.

34:30 – Lee had a large staff to run his operations. Twenty-five percent of US forces were in Lee’s command. But many of the combat forces refused to let supply people inventory their supplies.

37:03 – US generals were constantly stabbing each other in the back politically speaking.

38:49 – Lee was in charge of building air bases and supplying them but air force supply control was held by others. Lee requisitioned many air force personnel at times.

40:47 – Hank went to Carlisle for some historical records and also used Lee’s memoirs.

44:10 – Keeping track of and sourcing all the information in the book was the hardest part of writing it.

47:47 – Learning about the hardships the soldiers went through was the hardest thing to study while writing the book. Lee tried his hardest to get winter clothing to the soldiers in Bastogne and other areas. There was a lot of chaos in supplying soldiers.

51:03 – Omar Bradley was much more petty than Hank had expected and that bothered him. Omar Bradley has always been known as the GI’s General.

54:43 – Hank’s website is http://www.hankhcox.com/

 

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